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Pyro Techniques?

By Marv

There was a little girl, who had a little curl, applied directly to the forehead. When she was good, she was very, very good. When she was bad, she was horrid!

Speaking of Team Pyro

As a frequent reader there (Pyromaniacs), frequent writer here (To Be Continued…), I’ve known sooner or later it would happen. I find myself pretty much in their camp on most things–with one major exception–which happens also to be the subject of this blog–Continuationism. I knew eventually I’d have to post something to be applied directly to the horrid.

I figured I’d wait until one of the crew posted some cogent argumentation for Cessationism, and then counter with a well-reasoned, insightful, exegetically-based, Biblical response. But then Dan Phillips today offers a 26-worder in which he basically says: “Don’t bother.”

His pithy posting we can reproduce in toto (plus title):

Tersely put: “continuationism” self-refuting

The very fact that “continuationists” acknowledge the need to make their case to Christians by argument is, itself, a devastating and sufficient refutation of the position.

Now what are we to make of this epigram, which would seem to be a low and inside pitch, or to change metaphors, a little bit of choir practice? Mr. Phillips, sir, you force me to bring out the numbers.

1. As best as I can decipher his meaning, being a bear of little brain, I would paraphrase thus: Continuationism is about the showy-stuff. If you can’t show me the showy stuff, what good is to give me a bunch of telly stuff? Cessationists of this ilk are prone to refer to certain gifts as “spectacular” or  “dramatic,” with razzle dazzle like a kind of magic show:

Give ’em an act with lots of flash in it, and the reaction will be passionate.

While a manifestation of the Holy Spirit may well be impressive, especially to those to whom His work is directed (e.g. 1 Cor 14:24-25), we would be wrong to expect Him to put on a show for us. His effects are deeper, directed toward spirit, heart and mind: “upbuilding and encouragement and consolation” (1 Cor. 14:3); conviction of “sin and righteousness and judgment” (John 16:8).

2. Behind this statement lies a number of Cessationist misconceptions about how “spiritual gifts” work. This type of argumentation (much in the MacAruthur tradition) I call the Unicorn and Jackass show. Insist on a unicorn: a mythological beast, which never existed: such as a “gift of healing,” with which an individual is endued (something like an X-man super power), operating at will, always efficacious, instantaneous, permanent, irreversible. Or inerrant oral prophecy, which neither the Old nor New Testaments teach (the Scriptures yes, oral prophecy, no.) Then with this expectation bring out the jackasses. This can be done in as few as two words: Benny Hinn.

3. Note the formulation of his statement. Quotes around continuationists. Why? The use of “need” (always a red flag for misleading argumentation). I’d like to know who he is purporting to quote here as “acknowledging” this or that. Who knows? Maybe it’s Team Continuo here. I doubt it, but we do acknowledge the importance of Biblical argumentation.

4. Which makes it odd, coming from a blog that otherwise highly values “argumentation,” appeal to Scripture and right reason, that one of them would denigrate such in this case.

5. So often Cessationists accuse their Continuationist bretheren of basing their view on experience rather than the Scriptures–all the while doing this very thing themselves, as in this case.

6. So often Cessationists accuse their Continuationist bretheren of being “an evil and adulterous generation [who] seeks for a sign,” and then themselves insist on a “spectacular” sign, or else they will not believe the Scriptures.

7. It is the Scriptures themselves that teach Continuationism. We see both in the direct teaching of our Lord (John 14: 12) and of His apostles (1 Cor. 12-14), that it is the Father’s will, and to His glory that the Body of Christ continue Christ’s empowered ministry between Pentecost and Parousia. One looks in vain for valid support of the notion that any of this would cease within the first century.

8. We are called to pursue these gifts (1 Cor. 14:1), but to do so we must be convinced that the Scriptures do in fact teach that they are for today as well as for the first century. This cannot be done by experience, but only by examining the Scriptures. Whatever we do, we must do in faith, and faith must be grounded in the Word. Thus argumentation.

9. So anyway, if we show you something “spectacular,” you say, there are “lying wonders.” Just because it’s supernatural doesn’t mean it’s of God. Or if we demonstrate something clearly from the Scriptures, you ask “Tell me about your most recent spectacular miracle.”

10. A Continuationist is not one who can say “Lookie-lookie what I can do.” It’s not about possessing an ability in oneself. It is one who says, “Look here in the Word of God. Shall we not believe what God tells us?”

11. You might as well have someone who insists God is not doing that “prayer” thing any more. God is not answering prayer any more. Go on, show me. Pray something and lets see what happens. Sure, you hear stories about God answering prayer with specific fulfillment, but this is always somebody’s neighbor’s cousin’s hairdresser. Face it, these answers–if they happen at all–are coincidence, wishful thinking, psychosomatic. We many wonder at our lack or efficacity at prayer, when the Bible promises so much (James 5:16).

12. Anyway, to hold to Continuation is not to say that all happens now as it did for Christ and the apostles. Or that history has shown a constant and even presence of these gifts without fluctuation. What continues is God’s purpose, design, and provision, not His church’s specific performance in what He has provided. It is thus with every other aspect of the life of the Church. Why should “spiritual gifts” be any different. Some things nearly lost must be rediscovered (such as salvation by grace through faith), and the Church must always be seeking in the Scriptures to return to the faith taught by the apostles.

Jesus As Prophet, Evangelist, Shepherd & Teacher

by Scott

I’m in the early days of a series on the ministry gifts of Ephesians 4. In my own studies of Scripture, I am convinced of the necessity of all five of these giftings to help equip the body of Christ to accomplish all that God desires. Yes, that means I believe both the ministries of apostle and prophet still exist today, actually are needed today.

Now, I do realise such is a loaded proposition (I am already beginning to dodge the stones left and right). But I am slowly working my way forward as I share why I believe Jesus still desires to gift people in these ministries. In simple form, I listed these 4 points:

  • Jesus, Himself, functioned in all five of these ministries.
  • The Holy Spirit also functions in all five of these ministries
  • The body of Christ, empowered by the Spirit of Christ, is now called to be all of Christ in all of the earth.
  • Therefore, Christ’s desire is to continue to gift people in such ministry roles. Continue reading

Jesus the Apostle

by Scott

So I have set out to spend quite a good while looking at the equipping ministry gifts of Ephesians 4:11, which fall in the larger context of vs7-16. Specifically, vs11-13 say:

11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

As I noted in my first article, Paul makes it quite clear as to the purpose of these five (or four) ministry gifts:

  • To prepare and equip God’s people for works of service, or ministry, since the Greek word could be translated either way (vs12).
  • So that the body of Christ might be built up (vs12).
  • To help Christ’s body reach unity in the faith and knowledge of Christ, becoming mature and grown up into the fullness of Christ (vs13).

Yet, I also noted some practical reasons as to why these giftings are needed in the church today, though these are not specifically found in the Ephesians text:

  • Jesus, Himself, functioned in all five of these ministries.
  • The Holy Spirit also functions in all five of these ministries
  • The body of Christ, empowered by the Spirit of Christ, is now called to be all of Christ in all of the earth.
  • Therefore, Christ’s desire is to continue to gift people in such ministry roles.

I know that is a loaded statement, of which many will want me to give more explanation. But suffice to say now, those three points above are my conclusion from reading the New Testament text. But the next weeks (and maybe a little longer) will be spent laying out a further understanding of how I have come to such a conclusion.

But moving on…Here is one of the most important things to remember before jumping into Paul’s words in Ephesians 4:11-13 – Jesus was the greatest apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor and teacher that has ever existed. That is where we have to start. When considering anything in Scripture, our starting points as new covenant believers is how did Christ fulfil such.

And, though, I plan to look at how Jesus functioned in all five of these ministries, in this post I particularly want to consider how Jesus was the great apostle. Again, one might have never thought of Jesus as an apostle. Most think of Paul in regards to an apostolic ministry. But Jesus was truly an apostle and, again, He was the greatest apostle that ever walked the earth.

Consider these words from the writer to the Hebrews:

Therefore, holy brothers, you who share in a heavenly calling, consider Jesus, the apostle and high priest of our confession. (Hebrews 3:1)

Here we see the writer to the Hebrews identifying Jesus as an apostle. But, for many, this passage will not necessarily mean much. It might simply point out that Jesus had some ‘office’ or ‘position’ as apostle.

But what we really want to know is what practically made Jesus an apostle? He did not just walk around with a business card with the title, ‘apostle’, written on it. So what is an apostle?

The word apostle (Greek apostolos) simply means ‘sent one’. Though so many people have so many conceptions of what an apostle is (of which I hope to address at least most ideas), in its essence, the word simply means ‘sent one’. And the verb for sent, in the Greek, is apostello.

Yet, what is also interesting to note is that the Greek word, apostolos, and the Latin word, missum (where we get our word missionary), mean exactly the same thing. They both mean ‘sent one’. In a most simple understanding, apostle = missionary and missionary = apostle. That doesn’t mean every missionary functions in an apostolic ministry. Of course not. Still, in their essence, they are synonyms. But I am probably getting a little ahead of myself.

Therefore, knowing what the word apostle means (sent one), we can definitely concur that Jesus was an apostle. Remember? He was sent by the Father with a specific mission to accomplish. I mean, I really don’t need to quote Scripture to show this, but let’s consider a few passages.

In Nazareth, Jesus announced He had be sent with this mission:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent [apostello] me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favour.” (Luke 4:18-19)

We see other Scriptures pointing to the fact that Christ had been sent by the Father:

Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, and whoever receives me, receives not me but him who sent [apostello] me. (Mark 9:37)

But he said to them, “I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns as well; for I was sent [apostello] for this purpose.” (Luke 4:43)

For he whom God has sent [apostello] utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure. (John 3:34)

Again, I cannot emphasise enough that Paul or Peter were not the greatest apostles to ever live. That’s one mistake we regularly make. Jesus and Jesus alone stands as the great apostle, for He completely fulfilled the mission for which He was sent by the Father.

Therefore, it must be duly noted that an apostle, any apostle, is only able to function as an apostle because Jesus was the first and greatest apostle. This will have important ramifications later on as we consider the ministry of an apostle.

Still, I must say that I am truly glad that Christ is the great and faithful apostle of our confession (Hebrews 3:1). I think you would all agree as well.

An Introduction to Ephesians 4 Ministry Gifts

by Scott

One of my favourite passages in all of Scripture is found in Ephesians. Actually, Ephesians is probably one of my favourite books in the whole of the Bible. As one of Paul’s final letters, he packs so much wisdom and revelation in this short yet amazing book.

The Ephesians text is filled with multiple great passages: from Paul’s beginning words in 1:3-14; to the all-important words of our salvation by grace through faith in 2:8-9 (not to mention his words about walking out that salvation in 2:10); on to the goal of the one body in 2:11-22; his prayer in 3:14-21; the words on how to live our new life in Christ at the end of ch. 4 and beginning of ch. 5; his words of how to live out godly relationships in marriage, parenting, etc; and the charge about the armour of God in his final words in ch. 6.

This letter stands as maybe the pique of Paul’s writings (uh oh, the reformed people are getting stirred because I didn’t say it was Romans).

But one passage I really enjoy pondering is found in 4:11-16. It, too, is filled with great wisdom and revelation into the purposes and plans of God in this new covenant era. Here are the words from the NIV:

11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

From these words, we find out that the goal for the body of Christ is both unity and maturity. Both of those are important. No, they are very important! I find that somehow we don’t realise this. It took me a while to understand that the goal was to see the bride of Christ prepare for our marriage to Christ. This calls for movement towards unity and maturity. We cannot miss that if we are to fulfil the purposes of God.

But, there is another reason I like this specific passage.

Here, in these words of Paul, we are told that, when Christ ascended back to the Father to reign over all, He gave specific gifts to the church to help us move towards this unity and maturity. What are those gifts. They are apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. These five gifts (or four, as some see pastor and teacher as one gift, as in pastor-teacher) are known as the Ephesians 4 ministry (service) gifts, though many refer to them with various other names such as the ascension gifts (since they were given at His ascensions – see vs8) or the five-fold ministry gifts (or four-fold, if one believes pastor-teacher are a combination gift).

Now, for the most part, many Christians in general, both in the past and in the present, have seen only three of these gifts still necessary for and functioning today. Those three being evangelist, pastor and teacher.

Of course, with the rise of Pentecostal and charismatic churches in the last 100+ years, one will definitely find many churches believe prophets (and prophecy) are still functioning today. And with a massive 500 million Christians who would count themselves as part of such Pentecostal, charismatic and neo-Pentecostal church groups, such a belief is definitely not outside of orthodoxy.

But, most all Christians would not venture down the path that would allow for apostles to still exist. They were the ones called to write Scripture (kind of receiving the baton from the Old Testament prophets). They were the select few who were given Christ’s special authority to help the church transition into this new covenant gospel. Once their foundational revelation and message was recorded (as found in our New Testament today), there would no longer be a need for such a ministry. (Such is also argued by some for the ministry of prophets.)

Now, before considering various views on which of these gifts are actually still in function today, I think it important to first ask this question: What is the purpose of these ministry gifts?

Hey, this is an important question. Because we get so caught up in debating whether prophets and apostles could still exist today, we can actually forget why Jesus gave such gifts to the church.

Paul does make it quite clear in this passage as to the purpose of these ministry gifts:

  • To prepare and equip God’s people for works of service, or ministry, since the Greek word could be translated either way (vs12).
  • So that the body of Christ might be built up (vs12).
  • To help Christ’s body reach unity in the faith and knowledge of Christ, becoming mature and grown up into the fullness of Christ (vs13).

Jesus desired to gift people in these ministries so that the body of Christ could be prepared, equipped, built up, unified and mature! That sounds awesome (though Christ really doesn’t need my thoughts here).

But, though we can see these five gifted ministries were given to help the church move towards such a high calling in Christ, there are still questions as to why these gifts are practically needed. I mean, really, why do we need these gifts? What’s this all about? Couldn’t we just get on without them?

Well, to that, I give an answer that isn’t found specifically in Ephesians 4. Rather, I have come to a conclusion as to why these gifts are practically important to the body of Christ and the world today through my overall consideration of the New Testament text. For such, I give four more bullet points:

  • Jesus, Himself, functioned in all five of these ministries.
  • The Holy Spirit also functions in all five of these ministries
  • The body of Christ, empowered by the Spirit of Christ, is now called to be all of Christ in all of the earth.
  • Therefore, Christ’s desire is to continue to gift people in such ministry roles.

Now, I know those four statements are pretty loaded. But I can only say I hope to spend quite a few articles showing why I believe those four points are the logical conclusion from reading the New Testament text.

Of course, one may not have ever realised that Christ functioned in all five of these ministries, nor the Holy Spirit, but they certainly did. I mean, some realise Christ was a teacher or a prophet. But was Christ an apostle? And the Holy Spirit being apostolic or pastoral?

Yes, they were both apostolic. And we must take note that Christ and the Spirit functioned/fucntion in all five of these ministries. Actually, Christ was the greatest apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor and teacher that ever existed. Forget Paul, Peter, John or any of the others. Simply stated, there was no other that walked out these five ministries like the divine Son in the flesh. Of course, we would not expect less, right?

And here we are today, even 2,000 years post-incarnation, looking to be all of Christ to all of the world. For this, I believe the best way would be to function in all that Christ himself did. If Christ walked it out, I think he desires his body to emulate the same. If Christ functioned in something, I believe he desires that his body similarly practice such. Of course, I am not trying to equate us with the Son of God. But I do believe that, as sons and daughters of the King, we are called to participate in that which Christ lived in the flesh as we, too, are empowered by the Spirit.

So let me take some time in my next post to look at how Christ was an apostle. Hopefully it will be of interest to you.

Video Teaching – The Apostolic Nature of the Spirit

by Scott

Last week, I posted a detailed video teaching entitled, Jesus, the Apostle. For many, there may have never been the consideration that Jesus was an apostle, seeing that ministry mainly belonging to people like Paul or Peter or John. But Jesus was the greatest apostle, or ‘sent one’, that ever lived. So we need to start with him if we are to truly learn what this ministry is all about.

The video below continues with some in depth teaching on the apostolic ministry, specifically looking at the apostolic nature of the Holy Spirit. Just as the Father sent the Son, so the Spirit was sent out by the Father and Son to accomplish a specific mission. Thus, the Spirit carries an apostolic mission, even empowering the church to continue on with the apostolic ministry of Christ.

See view the video below for more.